In this two-part conversation, Clint Padgett sits down with Scott Mautz, former Procter & Gamble executive and bestselling author of Leading from the Middle, to explore what it takes to lead when you don’t have formal authority.

Scott explains why middle leaders play such an important role in organizations and why leading up, down, and across can be so challenging. He shares practical ways to manage competing priorities, influence others, build trust, and create accountability.

The conversation also explores how leaders can earn commitment instead of compliance, encourage smart risk-taking, manage pressure without passing it down, and lead effectively through uncertainty and change.

Whether you lead projects, people, or both, Scott offers practical strategies for navigating the “messy middle” and making an impact—regardless of your title or position.